I have thought for quite a number of weeks that the discussion of the SETI Live stuff should be somewhere on the SETI Live site, not here on the SETI Quest site. After convincing myself that the SETI Live operation just wasn't what I wanted in life, although I always thoroughly read through the weeks minutes I find that the discussions there are particularly annoying, especially when someone is trying to ask a SETI Quest related problem virtually gets shouted down to continue with a discussion on 'Live' retries, and code debugging progress etc.

However, my feelings are that if the 'Live' stuff were actually moved to where it belongs, the Institute would use it as an excuse to close down the weekly meeting, and on most weeks that is the only sign that the Quest is only just alive.

Speaking personally I don't think that would worry me, providing we could get some of our 19,000 members onto their keyboards and generating interesting threads on the Forum. But try as we might, no one but us few regular contributors seem to be bothered. Maybe we aught to just give up, declare the Quest dead as a result of member apathy and and find something more interesting to do with our lives. (Methinks I might have a Wife somewhere I could stop neglecting)

Regards

Dave Robinson

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SETI Live's funding ran out in January 2013.

8 months ago we discussed if we should continue our weekly setiQuest community IRC meetings.  Let's revisit this question and reflect on what we have accomplished.   What have we accomplished? Not much. For the past 8 months the primary topic of every IRC meeting has been SETI Live.  This constant discussion of SETI Live problems has done nothing to help the progress of the setiQuest project.  It actually has sucked all the oxygen out of the room for other setiQuest topics.  The SETI Institute has also retreated away from discussing the details of it's internal projects.  What is going on with the SonATA and the machine learning initiatives?  I have no idea.  Jill and Gerry have also disappeared.  None of this is what I had hoped for when I supported the continuation of the weekly community meetings 8 months ago.   What do we need to do? We need to decide.  Should we cancel or continue?  If we decide to continue then the future success of the community meetings depends on doing the following:  

• Less talk about SETI Live and more talk about SETI.
• More people need to participate in both the IRC meetings and in the forum discussions.
• Posting the meeting agenda 5 minutes before the meeting serves no purpose. Posting an agenda a day or two before the meeting will give people the opportunity to add topics and engage in some pre-discussion.
• The 30 minute meetings do not work.  As proof of this look back at the past 8 months worth of meetings.  Almost all of them have ballooned to a one hour duration.  
• We need to find a purpose to rally behind.  The return of the data stream could serve this purpose but the chances of that happening seem low.  What other things could we rally behind?

It may be time to discontinue the weekly community IRC meetings.  The time saved by canceling the meetings may be better spent focusing on discussion in the setiQuest forum.  What are your thoughts?  Please comment.

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