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Sorry, I have my practical today as well as tommorrow. So, I was busy and I forgot about the meeting.
I have remove the bugs that I had written about in the forum (sudoers and included the sudo in metapackage). And ssh is working.Only one dhcp related bug remains.  A person have to uncheck the option "WRITE_HOSTNAME_TO_HOSTS" in network setting, ok it and the check again. I know the solution to above.  It is to keep it to No in dhcp file at /etc/sysconfig/network/ and assign a hostname in /etc/HOSTNAME.
After fixing and building a new release, I will build the SonATA on it.
I will fix it after 21st. By then I will have completed all of  my practicals.

[11:01am] jrseti_: Hello All! It is 11am California time.
[11:01am] jrseti_: See
[11:01am] jrseti_: http://setiquest.org/forum/topic/community-meeting-2012-05-15
[11:01am] gliese581c: Title: Community Meeting 2012-05-15 | setiQuest (at setiquest.org)
[11:01am] sigblips: Welcome quantum well dwellers.
[11:02am] jrseti_: Reminder - this is a 30 minute meeting
[11:02am] jrseti_: I am in a local Cafe - using their WiFi. Flaky internet at home.
[11:02am] sigblips: 4) New wiki page http://setiquest.org/wiki/index.php/Seti_programs . We should define what an observation is.
[11:02am] gliese581c: Title: Seti programs - setiquest wiki (at setiquest.org)
[11:03am] jrseti_: Lets discuss this first. Are you actually confused about what we mean, or do you just want to make it clearer?
[11:04am] sigblips: OK, 30 minutes, we've got to be quick. Make what clearer?
[11:04am] jrseti_: The definition of observation
[11:04am] jrseti_: In the context of the "Seti_programs" page
[11:05am] sigblips: Ohh, we're starting with #4. Yes, I understand the basic concept of an observation but I'm thinking we should define it so that it's clearer what sort of thing makes the list and what doesn't.
[11:06am] jrseti_: Yes, agreed. I always have problem with making such definitions clear. If you want to add that to the Seti_programs page, that would be a good place to start.
[11:06am] sigblips: For example was SETI Live doing an observation earlier this morning?
[11:07am] sigblips: Or it's not an observation unless it is "published" somewhere?
[11:07am] jrseti_: Yes, so there are 2 meanings. Maybe we should use "seti projects"
[11:08am] sigblips: Are the setiQuest data links observations? http://setiquest.org/wiki/index.php/SetiQuest_Data_Links
[11:08am] gliese581c: Title: SetiQuest Data Links - setiquest wiki (at setiquest.org)
[11:09am] jrseti_: Yes, those are observations.
[11:09am] jrseti_: Wait
[11:10am] jrseti_: Now you've confused me
[11:10am] sigblips: Project Phoenix was mentioned several times in the http://setiquest.org/wiki/index.php/Seti_programs list so the precedent is observations and not projects.
[11:10am] gliese581c: Title: Seti programs - setiquest wiki (at setiquest.org)
[11:10am] jrseti_: Yes, the setiData observations are under one "seti program"
[11:10am] jrseti_: or "seti project"
[11:10am] sigblips: Yes, this is confusing and that's why I suggested we define the term. (:
[11:11am] jrseti_: OK. The list is of "SETI Projects". Each "SETI Project" is comprized of one or more "observations".
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[11:12am] sigblips: OK that sounds good. Now what is the criteria for getting to be on the list?
[11:12am] jrseti_: I think the criteria is "Any SETI project". They can email setiquest@seti.org
[11:13am] sigblips: That is rather vague.
[11:13am] leash joined the chat room.
[11:14am] jrseti_: Backyard SETI projects (does anybody do them), may be OK? Don't know. I think we should decide on a case-by-case basis.
[11:14am] jrseti_: We amy get some wierd ones.
[11:15am] sigblips: The current list seems to require that the observation is "published."
[11:15am] jrseti_: Hello Leash - just about ready to discuss MWWT
[11:15am] leash: Sounds good.
[11:15am] jrseti_: But we would want to expand it to list current ones that are in progress.
[11:16am] sigblips: OK, let's move on to the next topic. Let's take this observation definition to the Talk page: http://setiquest.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Seti_programs
[11:16am] jrseti_: OK.
[11:17am] jrseti_: Leash - we made a bit of progress on MWWT this week
[11:17am] leash: I've been reading the emails.
[11:17am] jrseti_: We got the attention of Eliot Gillum at Microsoft - he has done some MWWT work
[11:18am] jrseti_: He pointed us to a really good set of documentation pages I had not seen before.
[11:18am] jrseti_: http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/help/SupportHelp.aspx?Page=UserGuide
[11:18am] gliese581c: Title: WorldWide Telescope (at www.worldwidetelescope.org)
[11:19am] jrseti_: So we'll be reading this. We want to create a "Collection" withing MWWT that shows what SETI has observed and is currently observing.
[11:19am] jrseti_: But, it s confusing.
[11:20am] jrseti_: If we can get a decent looking "Collection" working in MWWT, we'll try to get Microsoft to include it along with their default installed Collections
[11:20am] leash: Yeah. Am I to understand the main problem is that your current web client is not universally compatible?
[11:20am] leash: As far as with different OS's, or just different browsers?
[11:20am] jrseti_: Leash - Yes, the web client seems to not allow viewing custom tours or collections
[11:21am] jrseti_: The web client is the same on Windows and MAC
[11:21am] sigblips: Is it written in Flash, Java, Javascript, or something else?
[11:21am] jrseti_: The full blown client only runs on Windows, not MAC
[11:22am] sigblips: So it is an executable application?
[11:22am] jrseti_: The web client is Silverlight.
[11:22am] jrseti_: The Windows Client is a .NET program
[11:22am] sigblips: Thanks.
[11:23am] jrseti_: Leash - we are going to try to keep this meeting to 30 minutes...
[11:23am] sigblips: Silverlight runs on Mac, that's what Netflix streaming using. There is also something called Moonlight on Linux.
[11:23am] leash: And Silverlight allows for all components of the tours and collections to work properly?
[11:23am] jrseti_: Yes
[11:23am] leash: jrseti- Okay. Well, email me with anything I can do, and I'll try to get it done.
[11:24am] jrseti_: Shall do
[11:25am] jrseti_: Next topic? 2 . Khrm made a SonATA SUSE distro. I have not been able to try it out yet!
[11:25am] jrseti_: I'll make a point of doing that this week
[11:25am] jrseti_: So, that is that one.
[11:26am] jrseti_: 3) Any website issues? I STILL do not have the broken link removed for the Glossary
[11:26am] sigblips: The test drive feature of SUSE Studio is pretty slick. Also one of the top spins has Java included so that is OK to do.
[11:26am] jrseti_: I'll let him know. That will make things easier
[11:27am] sigblips: He should include a snapshot of the SonATA source code and compiled executables too.
[11:27am] jrseti_: Maybe so, but it should all build no problem if he has it all correct
[11:28am] sigblips: My thinking is a Linux live-CD. Pop it in, reboot, and you can be running SonATA is minutes. No compilation or configuration required.
[11:29am] jrseti_: I guess he could do that. I'll ask him, that may be best. Good idea.
[11:29am] sigblips: Make it as simple as possible for someone to test drive. It should work in the 1 hour SUSE studio test drive window too.
[11:30am] sigblips: Quick question. Why are the ATA dishes pointed in different directions? http://setiquest.info/data/cam1
[11:30am] gliese581c: Title: SetiQuest Info Service (at setiquest.info)
[11:30am] jrseti_: I don't know what they are doing right now. i know Jane is using some of the antennas to do RFI scans
[11:31am] sigblips: How many dishes are currently operational?
[11:31am] jrseti_: 30+ at the moment, I think.
[11:32am] sigblips: Thanks.
[11:32am] jrseti_: It is weird pushing all this into 30 minutes.
[11:32am] sigblips: It was a lightning meeting!
[11:33am] jrseti_: Anything else?
[11:33am] sigblips: Same SETI channel, same SETI time, next week.
[11:33am] jrseti_: OK, thanks All!
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Going back thinking about this subject, it struck me that maybe I am thinking about evolution all wrongly. On the whole evolution controls the way a species adapts to its environment or changes to it, come an ice age the creatures who have thick fur are probably those that survive. However I am now beginning to think that the phenomena that we interprete as intelligence is the ability for a species to decouple itself from its environment. This makes a lot of sense from the evolutionary point of view. The species that is more likely to survive is the one that is immune from changes in its environment, or is in a position to modify their local environment to counteract the changes in the environment at large. Suffering from a failure of imagination, I can see no natural way that this can come about, other than the invention of technology, and we can see from our own evolutionary path that, providing we can keep the accountants out of the picture, this evolutionary path has a positive feedback element to it - the more technology we have, the greater the control we can exert on our local environment, and the more time we have to improve our technology.

So therefore if local environment control is such a great asset, (and the fact that Homo Sapiens now populate our Planet, from pole to pole, have a base in low Earth orbit, and have paid fleeting visits to the Moon suggest that our control of the local environment is pretty good) suggests that it might be, then convergent evolution might suggest that if the invention of technology happened here, it is a fair bet that it could happen else where.

What think you?

Regards

Dave Robinson

"It appears that the Seti Institute has decreed that Aliens MUST communicate via beacons of fixed frequency, else we will not bother to look for them, they have left the very few people that have the capability of looking at other communication options buried in the signals, no where else to go. What a waste, such extraordinary talent given for free, and just dumped by the road side - not wanted on voyage"

I think this sums up the frustration that all of us (all of us outside of SI that is) feel about this 'project' very well.

The desire on my part (and I believe on Rob's and Sigblips' too) to have access to real-time data is that if we find anything in the archived data, the 'trail is cold', so to speak - we have no way of positively determining if it truly is a signal of extraterrestrial origin or if it is just noise or RFI. With real-time data and some kind of tightly controlled feedback loop into the SonATA system running at the ATA, we would not only be able to find signals using alternative approaches, we would also be able to follow-up on them to see if they are truly worthy of further scrutiny. 

Hi Anders

I am not quite sure why you want 'real-time' data from the ATA, when push comes to shove the data could have been in transit for 100's of years or more, so I am sure the delay of extracting the the data in the old fashioned way is not going to be too much of a problem.

My regret is there is not going to be ANY more data from the ATA made available, even if it takes months to move from the telescope to the cloud.

Whilst understanding the reason for instigating the SETILive exercise, I think that offering this as the ONLY way to join in the hunt for extraterrestrial intelligence is a real let down for real Citizen Scientist's, people who really know how to process signals (I am thinking of extraordinary people like Sigblips etc.). Looking for straight lines in a waterfall plot cannot really be considered a task for a real scientist, and the fact that the number of contributors are falling like a stone also suggests that 'Joe Public' find it as intellectually dissatisfying as me.

It appears that the Seti Institute has decreed that Aliens MUST communicate via beacons of fixed frequency, else we will not bother to look for them, they have left the very few people that have the capability of looking at other communication options buried in the signals, no where else to go. What a waste, such extraordinary talent given for free, and just dumped by the road side - not wanted on voyage

Regards

Dave Robinson

I have found a bug in sudoers file and sudo is not installed( it is because in minimal install it is not install and) . And I will also be updating the sonata_pre file. I will be rebuilding the distro and it will be posted in the above link.

ALso I have not included a webbrowser or any gui editor.  Any one will have to use vi for editing. I will include them later on when I have remove all the errors. It is because they increase the size and my download speed is not high. So I am keeping the size small currently while testing.

[11:22am] Jill_: one more reason for using the zooniverse infrastructure that's important to me is that they are focused on the end product being real scientific output and have developed an excellent 'talk' component to encourage that.

What makes any science that Zooniverse does any more "real" than any other science that might be done with real-time data from the ATA? Is it that they have a nice rubberstamp which makes anything they do True Science™? What prevents anyone from doing "unreal" science with the waterfall plots posted on SETILive?

[11:00am] jrseti_: Hello all! It is time for the setiquest IRC chat
[11:00am] sigblips: Welcome to the 83rd weekly setiQuest community IRC meeting. http://setiquest.org/wiki/index.php/Community_meeting#IRC_meeting_transc...
[11:00am] gliese581c`: Title: Community meeting - setiquest wiki (at setiquest.org)
[11:02am] jrseti_: See the agenda at http://setiquest.org/forum/topic/community-meeting-2012-05-08
[11:02am] gliese581c`: Title: Community Meeting 2012-05-08 | setiQuest (at setiquest.org)
[11:02am] jrseti_: As we discussed last week, i wrote up what i thought the immediate future of setiquest should be.
[11:03am] sigblips: 4) Broken buttons on all setiQuest Drupal pages. Donate and Flickr in particular but all of them could be changed to something more appropriate for the project.
[11:03am] jrseti_: I've been trying to figure out the Glossay link. It just seems the page is gone.
[11:04am] jrseti_: I rally do not like uasing Drupal. It is really complicated!
[11:04am] sigblips: Glossay link?
[11:04am] khrm: Glossary ?
[11:04am] jrseti_: Yes, Glossary
[11:05am] sigblips: Ohh thanks, I'm happy we disabled those glossary links last year. They were so annoying.
[11:05am] jrseti_: First, I'd like to talk about Khrm's forum post
[11:05am] jrseti_: http://setiquest.org/forum/topic/customised-distro-run-sonata
[11:05am] khrm: Ok.
[11:05am] gliese581c`: Title: Customised Distro to run Sonata | setiQuest (at setiquest.org)
[11:06am] jrseti_: He created a SonATA/OpenSUSE 11.4 distro
[11:06am] sigblips: I think that self-contained package is great a idea and I'm going to try it out.
[11:07am] jrseti_: Yes, and it should work in our Amazon account
[11:07am] khrm: Yes, it has all dependencies except sun-java which is non-osi compliant.
[11:07am] sigblips: Is that because of Java licensing?
[11:07am] khrm: Yes, it can be used for amazon ec2 also.
[11:07am] khrm: Yes, due to java licensing.
[11:08am] sigblips: Is there any reason why we need to be OSI compliant?
[11:08am] khrm: But sonata_pre command which is just a script take care of that.
[11:08am] jrseti_: I'll try it on Amazon. I assume I can redirect the XDisplay to my computer, right?
[11:08am] khrm: I donot know whether sun-java can be distributed freely.
[11:09am] jrseti_: I dont know either
[11:09am] sigblips: I guess the question is does any other Linux distribution do it?
[11:09am] khrm: jrseti I donot know about it, you might have to use vnc or some other thing.
[11:10am] khrm: No, sigblips, but they do keep it in their non oss repo.
[11:10am] sigblips: But do we?
[11:10am] jrseti_: No, we have them download it
[11:11am] sigblips: I mean, but do we need to do that?
[11:11am] jrseti_: I have no idea
[11:11am] khrm: I too have no idea.
[11:11am] sigblips: The reason I ask is because it would be really cool if we could make this a completely self contained Linux live-CD that we could hand out to people.
[11:12am] khrm: Yes.
[11:13am] sigblips: They would just pop the Linux live-CD into their x86_64 computer, reboot, and they are running SonATA in minutes.
[11:13am] jrseti_: Any idea how I'd use this to create an Amazon instance? When you create a new Amazon EC2 instance, does it let you use any distro, or download your own? I've only used the ones they provide.
[11:14am] Jill_ joined the chat room.
[11:14am] khrm: I will refine this distro further in summer. Currently a user have to clone the sonata after installing or booting using livecd.
[11:14am] jrseti_: Hello Jill.
[11:14am] Jill_: hello - sorry to be late
[11:14am] sigblips: It is the AWS AMI (Amazon Machine Image).
[11:14am] jrseti_: Jill: We are talking about http://setiquest.org/forum/topic/customised-distro-run-sonata
[11:14am] gliese581c`: Title: Customised Distro to run Sonata | setiQuest (at setiquest.org)
[11:14am] sigblips: Hi Jill. You can read what you've missed here http://irc.sigblips.com/setiQuest/2012/setiquest.05-08-2012.log
[11:15am] jrseti_: Khrm made a custom OpenSUSE/SonATA distribution
[11:15am] jrseti_: I am going to try it out on AWS this week
[11:15am] Jill_: has Jane been able to bring up SonATA with the version of linux that's on her new machine - maybe this will help
[11:16am] khrm: jrseti in http://susestudio.com/a/AabtPt/setiquest-desktop there is a cloud option.
[11:16am] gliese581c`: Title: Setiquest Desktop SUSE Gallery (at susestudio.com)
[11:16am] jrseti_: Khrm: Thanks, I'll lok at that
[11:16am] jrseti_: Khrm - thatnks for doing that
[11:17am] jrseti_: Jill: the agenda is at http://setiquest.org/forum/topic/community-meeting-2012-05-08
[11:17am] gliese581c`: Title: Community Meeting 2012-05-08 | setiQuest (at setiquest.org)
[11:18am] jrseti_: All: As I stated last week that I would do, I posted a blog http://setiquest.org/blog/future-setiquest
[11:18am] khrm: I have been meaning to do that for weeks but I have not been getting time. My exams have just finished. But I have practicals on 15-17. So I think I will be able to dedicate it more time.
[11:18am] gliese581c`: Title: The Future of setiQuest? | setiQuest (at setiquest.org)
[11:19am] jrseti_: Khrm: I'll let you know what happens
[11:20am] khrm: O.K. Even if it doesn't run now it , I think I will be able to run it after updating the setting further.
[11:20am] jrseti_: OK
[11:21am] sigblips: Should the new SonATA with all the SETI Live modifications still run the Voyager test demo the same way? Or have things changed a lot?
[11:22am] jrseti_: it will run the same
[11:22am] sigblips: Good to know. Thanks.
[11:22am] Jill_: one more reason for using the zooniverse infrastructure that's important to me is that they are focused on the end product being real scientific output and have developed an excellent 'talk' component to encourage that. they've got lot's of experience in dealing with visual biases of volunteers looking at data screens - we didn't want to have to learn that from scratch
[11:22am] jrseti_: yes
[11:22am] Jill_: jrseti: i meant that last to be an addition to your excellent blog
[11:23am] jrseti_: ok, thanks
[11:23am] Jill_: we should remember that there are still projects that can best be done under setiQuest structure and make it easy for people to find those
[11:23am] sigblips: jrseti_: I noticed that line 7) is blank. Was that intentional?
[11:24am] Jill_: i've not had time this week to explore whether we can aggregate discussion from all SETI groups onto this site.
[11:24am] jrseti_: The 7) line is a bug in the Drupal software. it does not show up it edit mode!
[11:25am] sigblips: Jill_: All SETI groups? TeamSETI and other SETI Institute web properties?
[11:27am] Jill_: no - i had suggested that this become a global SETI discussion portal, so SETI@home, SETI Italia, Dorothy etc. etc. to inform each other about what new ideas they were thinking about or trying, and to keep the archive of searches up to date
[11:28am] sigblips: That sounds like a good way to utilize the current setiQuest infrastructure.
[11:28am] jrseti_: FYI: I got rid of the 7)! Had to edit the raw HTML.
[11:28am] Jill_: reply --- since i haven't reached out, i don't know if i'll encounter a big NIH response.
[11:29am] khrm: I think we will have to improve the forum for that.
[11:30am] jrseti_: Jill: Yes, I remember. I think we could make a list on our site of all the other SETI projects. That would be a good start.
[11:32am] sigblips: On the front setiquest.org page, as a menu item, or would it be better in the wiki?
[11:32am] Jill_: with links to those projects
[11:33am] jrseti_: I's also make it into an RSS feed for setiquest.info
[11:35am] jrseti_: So, Jill, I think if you can get me your 2 year old list of SETI projects, I'll create one we can review.
[11:35am] jrseti_: Doug also has a list
[11:36am] jrseti_: What you you all think about making these meeting every other week?
[11:37am] sigblips: Another option would be to make them only 30 minutes.
[11:37am] jrseti_: 30 minutes is a good option!
[11:38am] khrm: That is better.
[11:38am] jrseti_: That would be asier for me to manage
[11:38am] khrm: I mean sigblips option.
[11:39am] jrseti_: Yes, 30 minutes is good
[11:40am] jrseti_: So, anything else? Was progress made here?
[11:40am] Jill_: jrseti - this list is here https://observations.seti.org/ with most recent page as #1
[11:40am] gliese581c`: Title: Observations: index (at observations.seti.org)
[11:41am] jrseti_: Jill: I've never seen that before.
[11:41am] Jill_: i don't know how to give you access to the observations pages to move - it is a Tucker special-built set of pages
[11:42am] sigblips: Are any observations scheduled for the future?
[11:42am] Jill_: i think Berkeley has future time at NRAO and of course we need to update our own Kepler obs
[11:43am] jrseti_: Sigblips: I bet that type of information will be hard to know. Maybe this is where people can keep us up to date using the forum.
[11:44am] sigblips: http://setiquest.info and SETI Live are doing an observation once a-day.
[11:44am] gliese581c`: Title: SetiQuest Info Service (at setiquest.info)
[11:45am] jrseti_: Yes!
[11:45am] Jill_: for obs being done using national facilities, that time is allocated well in advance and could easily be posted
[11:46am] jrseti_: We should create a list of these facilities
[11:47am] sigblips: Hmmm, encouraging them to share their data would be very much in the spirit of setiQuest.
[11:47am] jrseti_: We have to create a list first.
[11:49am] jrseti_: Anything else? Shall we end for today?
[11:50am] Jill_: my sense is that they might like to keep their data on their own site, but might allow us to point to it.
[11:50am] sigblips: Well that would be great too.
[11:51am] khrm: Where will be this posted in website , wiki or forum?
[11:51am] jrseti_: Just knowing they exist would be a good start
[11:52am] sigblips: khrm: Good question. Any of those 3 could work.
[11:52am] jrseti_: It would be constantly changing. It should be on the Wiki
[11:54am] jrseti_: I would, though, like to make an RSS of our SETI programs list, and all the URLs in the RSS frre point to our WiKi
[11:54am] sigblips: It looks like there are about 160 observations listed. Could do that as one large wiki page. I'm not sure if we have the "show" MediaWiki functionality installed. It's not needed but the page would just look bigger without it.
[11:55am] sigblips: jrseti_: Why an RSS list? This SETI programs list seems to me that it would be very static.
[11:56am] jrseti_: I think it could be one more but of information someone could use in an RSS feeder. Also, it will change occasionally.
[11:57am] jrseti_: To be honest: I like RSS and XML feeds, that is the biggest reason :)
[11:59am] sigblips: OK, I wonder if MediaWiki can automatically create an RSS feed for a particular wiki page?
[11:59am] jrseti_: I would think it can. Worth looking into
[11:59am] sigblips: Waldir would know.
[12:01pm] jrseti_: The hour is up. Thanks all for attending. Next week I'll announce a 30 minute meeting
[12:01pm] sigblips: Good meeting. Bye everyone. I'll post the transcript to the forum.
[12:01pm] khrm: Bye all.
[12:01pm] jrseti_: thanks, bye!
[12:02pm] khrm left the chat room. (Quit: Bye)
[12:02pm] jrseti_ left the chat room. (Remote host closed the connection)

The results of the social media blog poll is clear. Facebook us the preferred tool we should be using.
 

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I forgot the link to distro. It is available here:http://susestudio.com/a/AabtPt/setiquest-desktop

I am thinking of including the step 4) in first post in a script 'sonata_build' .  While this method might not be as as efficient as my single directory nested approach to autoconf used in gsoc port, it reduces the number of build steps further. A user will be able to detect an error if it arises by reading the log which will be generated by the script.

 
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IMO, the failure of this project has been its inability to produce a sensible explanation as to why we can't get access to real-time data on equal terms with, say, Zooniverse. To this day, I don't know if it's a political decision or an economic one. If it truly was an econonic one, surely it must be possible to overcome it somehow. However, since we have not seen any efforts to that end, I'm led to believe it must be a political one. And politicking is bound to drive people away.

[11:00am] jrseti_: Hello all! It is 11am California time.
[11:00am] jrseti_: Time for the SETIQuest IRC chat
[11:00am] sigblips: Geetings SETIzens.
[11:00am] jrseti_: See: http://setiquest.org/forum/topic/community-meeting-2012-05-01
[11:00am] gliese581c: Title: Community Meeting 2012-05-01 | setiQuest (at setiquest.org)
[11:01am] jrseti_: Have a look at the Agenda, suggestions appreciated.
[11:02am] leash: According to the agenda, we want to keep using setiQuest, but not stressing to push it forward?
[11:03am] sigblips: Yup, setiQuest is in a local minima energy state.
[11:03am] leash: I still don't understand what this could mean for setiQuest's purpose.
[11:05am] sigblips: I think it is important to be upfront about our current state so that people don't have expectations that can't be met.
[11:05am] jrseti_: yes, no changes really- except we will be more upfront. But note: project like MWWT still will be active.
[11:06am] jrseti_: leash: We are trying to get the attention of Jonathan Fay of the MWWT project. My idea is that it would be good to have him help us integrate into MWWT and show it off at SETICon in June.
[11:06am] leash: So what specifically can I do for SETIcon?
[11:06am] Jill: might this minimum energy state turn into a place where information about all things SETI and all the quests get aggregated along with wish lists of projects that could use help and interactions?
[11:08am] sigblips: Yes that would be a good use of the current setiQuest infrastructure.
[11:08am] jrseti_: Leash: I need to update the files, then you can help load them, see if they are OK, and determine if anything should be added. Once we get the attention of Jonathan at MWWT (I hope we can) maybe he'll have suggestions to make it better than we know how to do now.
[11:09am] Jill: we could invite other SETI searches to post information about their efforts here - don't know if we'd have any success.
[11:09am] jrseti_: Jill: That is a good idea.
[11:10am] Jill: then we ought to update the archive of searches i keep at seti.org (2 years since any real effort and update) and post it here as well
[11:10am] leash: jrseti - Just let me know when you update the files. I can spend more time playing with the settings and making it more user-friendly.
[11:11am] leash: There were quite a few instructions on my last attempt to do this.
[11:11am] sigblips: What are peoples thoughts about pumping more energy into setiQuest to change its energy level? Is there any desire or willpower to do this?
[11:12am] jrseti_: Right now we at SETI have our hands full. On my part there is desire, but I don't have the bandwidth. it would have to be a community driven thing.
[11:13am] jrseti_: but in the past, the community has wanted access to more data, whcih would involve SETI support, time which we don;t have at the moment
[11:15am] jrseti_: But, if a group wants to be a community and keep the discussions alive, maybe some projects like MWWT, that would be useful and doable
[11:16am] sigblips: The SETIcon venue could be used to recruit people for setiQuest but is an influx of new members what we really want right now? Remember how crazy the first month of GSoC was last year?
[11:17am] Jill: well - if we are going to keep the site alive, it might be good to recruit at SETIcon someone who could help sigblips with that job.
[11:18am] jrseti_: At SETICon we'll probably try to tout SETILive
[11:18am] jrseti_: Jill: yes
[11:20am] jrseti_: I would have no problem letting a small group of people have admin rights to setiQuest
[11:22am] sigblips: Maintenance mode is fairly easy. The spam level is fairly low. Things like the "broken buttons" we talked about last week do need to be fixed. The SETI Institute isn't making any money with that broken Donate button!
[11:22am] Jill: but the two do not have to be mutually exclusive. those that want to have access to real-time data or improve the display environments or develop mobile apps can affiliate with SETILive where we at SETI have committed to supporting the feedback that results from data analysis. those who want to work with stored data or do other sorts of outreach or just discuss SETI can do so at setiQuest
[11:24am] jrseti_: Several people leading others could improve the site - and also keep the forum going
[11:24am] jrseti_: at the very least
[11:26am] jrseti_: But, where is this all leading us? Shall we make a page on the site explaining that we are in low energy state, and welcome anyone who wants to usher things along?
[11:28am] sigblips: Yes that would be a good idea. Best to be upfront about about.
[11:28am] sigblips: about it.
[11:29am] jrseti_: OK, I can do that, make it easily accessible via the front page.
[11:30am] sigblips: Like the ATA being in hibernation. SetiQuest being stuck in a local minima doesn't mean that it is forever or permanent.
[11:30am] jrseti_: yes
[11:31am] Jill: i think i'd be more upbeat and advertise joining forces with Citizen Science Alliance to improve the real time searching and assure people that setiQuest will remain the portal to data for signal detection algorithm development and for community projects.
[11:32am] jrseti_: How are we going to support algorithm development? That involves SETI attention and resources
[11:33am] jrseti_: I guess I am not quite clear about what we are to do with the data aspect.
[11:34am] jrseti_: We've made it clear we are not able to support any algorithm development, right?
[11:34am] sigblips: It doesn't take much to maintain the current data archive. Or are you concerned about peoples questions?
[11:35am] jrseti_: Questions and support.
[11:35am] Jill: we can try again to get this opportunity in front of EE DSP courses at universities whose instructors can deal with the people questions.
[11:36am] jrseti_: I still feel bad we did not give Dave Robinson enough attention.
[11:37am] sigblips: I've noticed that the GPS datasets are the most popular.
[11:38am] jrseti_: I assume because they have the potential for pretty looking signals
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[11:38am] sigblips: I get the feeling that it is being used in some University course work.
[11:39am] sigblips: GPS is a great teaching topic. There is so much technology inside.
[11:40am] jrseti_: If so, that would be nice to know. maybe we should ask up front that people let us know if they are using the data for something other than personal interest, like part of a class.
[11:41am] sigblips: Doesn't the SETI Institute have an educational outreach program / department?
[11:41am] Jill: good idea - do we have any visibility into who has downloaded datasets? who is working with machine instances in AWS?
[11:42am] sigblips: Yes there are logs.
[11:44am] sigblips: Some University IP addresses.
[11:45am] jrseti_: Hey - some volunteer could take our logs and try to create a map
[11:45am] Jill: would it be easy to send those IP addresses my way - could be that i could engage faculty at those places.
[11:45am] sigblips: Jill: I'll do that.
[11:46am] sigblips: jrseti_: That might not go well with setiQuest's privacy policy.
[11:48am] jrseti_: A general map would probably be OK, like the maps you sometimes see on an open source site or forum that shows a world map of everyone on-line at the moment.
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[11:49am] jrseti_: I feel we've made some real progress during this meeting - a way to go forward.
[11:49am] sigblips: The map wouldn't have a lot of dots which wouldn't make locations all that anonymous. Need to ask the setiQuest lawyer.
[11:50am] jrseti_: Anthing else anyone wants to discuss?
[11:52am] sigblips: There where two posts in the forum from a UFO / alien fan. They weren't spam but they also are not the sort of discussion we want to encourage at setiQuest. I did not delete them. What are your thoughts.
[11:52am] Jill: yes - does the withdrawal of the setiQuest lawyer from our discussions indicate that we really should give this up?
[11:53am] sigblips: I don't think so. It's just a persons choice. I have to respect that but I also get to make my own choice.
[11:53am] jrseti_: I don't think we should give it up - just change it. I still think this will all become very useful to SETI.
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[11:54am] jrseti_: It provides the SETI signal efforts the only real web presence it has
[11:56am] Jill: well, i've made my choice, since this is the first official day of my 'retirement' - Gerry Harp with take over as Director of the Center for SETI Research, and i'll retain my Bernard M. Oliver Chair for SETI :-)
[11:57am] sigblips: Wow! Happy retirement. Happy you aren't planning on going anywhere too.
[11:59am] jrseti_: OK All, that about wraps it up for me. I'll make some website changes - so watch out!
[12:00pm] jrseti_: bye
[12:00pm] sigblips: The flickr page is empty so if it's easy to remove that button would be a good idea.
[12:01pm] jrseti_: ok
[12:01pm] sigblips: Bye. I'll post the transcript to the forum.
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That's a fine plan. Just wondering why it hasn't happened earlier. All the dilly-dallying has led a lot of folks who could have helped engage this 'passive community' to fade.

While counting the number of 'passive observers' to the Seti Quest site, what would be of great interest is to count the number of readers that each thread has, and actually put that on the thread display, so one can judge what threads are the most popular.

This would be useful both to the Quest, which would determine which subjects were the most popular, and to the author to find out if his contributions actually get read.

Regards

Dave Robinson