I have thought for quite a number of weeks that the discussion of the SETI Live stuff should be somewhere on the SETI Live site, not here on the SETI Quest site. After convincing myself that the SETI Live operation just wasn't what I wanted in life, although I always thoroughly read through the weeks minutes I find that the discussions there are particularly annoying, especially when someone is trying to ask a SETI Quest related problem virtually gets shouted down to continue with a discussion on 'Live' retries, and code debugging progress etc.

However, my feelings are that if the 'Live' stuff were actually moved to where it belongs, the Institute would use it as an excuse to close down the weekly meeting, and on most weeks that is the only sign that the Quest is only just alive.

Speaking personally I don't think that would worry me, providing we could get some of our 19,000 members onto their keyboards and generating interesting threads on the Forum. But try as we might, no one but us few regular contributors seem to be bothered. Maybe we aught to just give up, declare the Quest dead as a result of member apathy and and find something more interesting to do with our lives. (Methinks I might have a Wife somewhere I could stop neglecting)

Regards

Dave Robinson

SETI Live's funding ran out in January 2013.

8 months ago we discussed if we should continue our weekly setiQuest community IRC meetings.  Let's revisit this question and reflect on what we have accomplished.   What have we accomplished? Not much. For the past 8 months the primary topic of every IRC meeting has been SETI Live.  This constant discussion of SETI Live problems has done nothing to help the progress of the setiQuest project.  It actually has sucked all the oxygen out of the room for other setiQuest topics.  The SETI Institute has also retreated away from discussing the details of it's internal projects.  What is going on with the SonATA and the machine learning initiatives?  I have no idea.  Jill and Gerry have also disappeared.  None of this is what I had hoped for when I supported the continuation of the weekly community meetings 8 months ago.   What do we need to do? We need to decide.  Should we cancel or continue?  If we decide to continue then the future success of the community meetings depends on doing the following:  

• Less talk about SETI Live and more talk about SETI.
• More people need to participate in both the IRC meetings and in the forum discussions.
• Posting the meeting agenda 5 minutes before the meeting serves no purpose. We need to post the agenda a day or two before the meeting so to give people the opportunity to add topics and engage in some pre-discussion.
• The 30 minute meetings do not work.  As proof of this look back at the past 8 months worth of meetings.  Almost all of them have ballooned to a one hour duration.  
• We need to find a purpose to rally behind.  The return of the data stream could serve this purpose but the chances of that happening seem low.  What other things could we rally behind?

It may be time to discontinue the weekly community IRC meetings.  The time saved by canceling the meetings may be better spent focusing on discussion in the setiQuest forum.  What are your thoughts?  Please comment.

The "Life before genetics: autogenesis, information, and the outer solar system" talk was great.  You can watch it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeMwy3xuEs8&feature=youtu.be

For a detailed History of SETI searches list see:

• http://setiquest.org/wiki/index.php/Seti_programs

[11:10am] jrseti_: Hello! Sorry - got stuck in traffic.
[11:10am] lnigra: no worries.
[11:11am] sigblips: Greetings Earthlings. Welcome to the 134th weekly setiQuest IRC community meeting.
[11:11am] jrseti_: What did i miss so far? is it just lnigra and Sigblips?
[11:11am] jrseti_: 134!!
[11:11am] sigblips: We hadn't started yet.
[11:11am] lnigra: Missed nothing. waiting for you
[11:12am] jrseti_: Thanks.
[11:12am] jrseti_: Shall lnigra fill us in on SETILive progress?
[11:12am] sigblips: Yes, but let's first list the agenda items.
[11:12am] lnigra: sure. what you got, sigblips?
[11:13am] sigblips: 1) SETI Live status
[11:13am] sigblips: 2) Signal analysis of setiQuest GOES-11 dataset. FSK, BPSK, 8-PSK, LEO, and more. http://setiquest.org/forum/topic/baudline-analysis-goes-11
[11:13am] sigblips: 3) Cloudant became a database-as-a-service company and just got $12M in funding. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/14/cia_cloudant_funding/
[11:14am] sigblips: 4) Skytree the learning machine company just got $18M in funding. http://gigaom.com/2013/04/30/usvp-ups-and-scott-mcnealy-pump-18m-into-ma...
[11:14am] sigblips: That's it for me.
[11:15am] lnigra: Ok, almost have the followups profile page done, showing signal markings and "voted" followup signal on each waterfall...
[11:16am] lnigra: A review page to see the markings full-size like on classify page is next, but first...
[11:16am] jrseti_: See http://setiquest.org/forum/topic/community-meeting-2013-05-14
[11:16am] lnigra: have to fix a couple bugs in the folllowup signal check. It's been triggering on really loose conditions...
[11:17am] sigblips: Wow!, you're quick.
[11:17am] lnigra: well, it's not live yet, but pretty close.
[11:18am] lnigra: don't want to go into the bugs here. still trying to understand them. Once they're fixed and I understand how it will affect followups past and future, I'll post a blog about it.
[11:19am] lnigra: ...(past followups means what people will see in the new followups profile page)
[11:20am] lnigra: Also have to decide what to do with live data we get when SonATA is busy processing it's own detections. When that happens, we get live data, but can't trigger a followup.
[11:20am] jrseti_: Still - you are doing your other job full time?
[11:20am] lnigra: hehe, not for the last few workdays and my weekends.
[11:21am] jrseti_: The effort is appreciated
[11:21am] lnigra: I don't mind and neither does my new boss - as long as I keep up on critical stuff.
[11:22am] lnigra: Thanks, jrseti. It actually has a fun aspect, but only to a certain point, if you know what I mean :)
[11:23am] jrseti_: yes
[11:23am] sigblips: Is the followups page private for each user or is it a public page?
[11:23am] lnigra: On processing live data without followup potential, contrary to my initial thoughts in our conference call, I think we should still trigger them so we have a record of what we saw.
[11:25am] lnigra: the page will be customized for each logged in user showing only the followups for which they were one of the four or more who classified it and any followups that were in the chain.
[11:25am] sigblips: OK, just checking, that's what I thought.
[11:26am] lnigra: We can make it more general in future, but have to think about something that won't be dragging the database down with large scope searches and stuff.
[11:27am] lnigra: I'd like to be able to click on any subject in your favorites or recents list and get the same full size display I mentioned.
[11:27am] lnigra: if it isn't a followup, it will just show the regular markings. if a followup, will show followup markings in different colors.
[11:28am] lnigra: it would be great to be able to do that from Talk signal group display.
[11:28am] lnigra: It's probably feasible, but Talk isn't my area.
[11:29am] lnigra: So, that's it for me. Any questions comments, etc.?
[11:30am] sigblips: Just a list with the all the followup GSL##### links would be useful.
[11:30am] jrseti_: Are you now a ruby-on-rails expert?
[11:30am] lnigra: Yes, that would be great. There are quite a few of those, however, but I think that can be managed somehow.
[11:31am] sigblips: I'm not. Just a text file list would work.
[11:32am] lnigra: Yeah, that would work. Thinking of a scroll box with id's and probably a minimum of the date/time, right?
[11:33am] lnigra: jrseti, I'm becoming an expert on hacking ruby on rails - doubt I could build this from scratch :-)
[11:33am] sigblips: Just the simple date and GSL##### of the followup. I just want the information. I can build the URL's myself if necessary.
[11:35am] lnigra: Well, the GSL numbers are in sequence first is always 0, rest is a hex number. If you know the latest one, you've got them all, starting with 0, I think. maybe 1.
[11:35am] sigblips: I've been conducting a SETI Live followup audit. You probably have no idea the sorts of stuff people are clicking on. I do but I'd like some verification that I'm not making a mistake before I say anything publicly.
[11:37am] lnigra: Send me an email. You may be right. Unfortunately, I've only now started looking at followup markings.
[11:39am] sigblips: The thing is that I don't have the GSL numbers.
[11:39am] sigblips: They aren't mapped to the compamp filenames in any way that I can tell.
[11:40am] lnigra: No they aren't. Please send me an email. I'd like to know how you're auditing people's classifications. Maybe I can help with whatever you're missing.
[11:42am] sigblips: I'm looking at the compamps before and after the followup. I don't know anything about people's classifications but I know what triggered it.
[11:43am] lnigra: I see, you're comparing the content of the waterfall that triggered a particular followup.
[11:43am] lnigra: Clever!
[11:43am] sigblips: Yes. Literally it is an audit of the paper trail.
[11:44am] sigblips: It's sort of a puzzle.
[11:46am] lnigra: Well, in the future interface, maybe we can come up with a narrow search capability that will work for you.
[11:46am] lnigra: and not tie up the database.
[11:48am] lnigra: Anything else?
[11:48am] sigblips: The date and the GSL of each follow up will do. I just want to verify what I'm seeing.
[11:50am] jrseti_: Thanks for the info Lou
[11:50am] jrseti_: Shall we go to the next agenda item?
[11:50am] jrseti_: Signal analysis of setiQuest GOES-11 dataset. FSK, BPSK, 8-PSK, LEO, and more. http://setiquest.org/forum/topic/baudline-analysis-goes-11
[11:50am] sigblips: I haven't done one of these for a while. http://baudline.blogspot.com/2013/05/setiquest-goes-11.html
[11:51am] sigblips: Lot's and lot's of signals. The blind analysis approach was good practice for when we get a real signal.
[11:52am] sigblips: That's it. Next topic.
[11:53am] jrseti_: Great pictures!
[11:53am] jrseti_: I'll make sure Jill looks at that.
[11:53am] sigblips: Thanks.
[11:53am] jrseti_: 3) Cloudant became a database-as-a-service company and just got $12M in funding. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/14/cia_cloudant_funding/
[11:53am] sigblips: Remember Cloudant? http://setiquest.org/wiki/index.php/SetiCloud
[11:54am] jrseti_: Yes, big data is all the rage in Silicon Valley?
[11:54am] jrseti_: Yes, I remember them. We were not quite a fit
[11:54am] jrseti_: But from the experience I became a JSON fan
[11:54am] lnigra: way ahead of the curve as usual, jrseti
[11:54am] sigblips: They weren't a fit for themselves so they changed their business direction.
[11:54am] jrseti_: NO, it seemed everyone but me was familiar with JSON
[11:55am] jrseti_: How did they change direction?
[11:55am] sigblips: Now they are a database-as-a-service (DBaas) company.
[11:56am] jrseti_: I really like their homepage https://cloudant.com
[11:57am] sigblips: Wow! that is very different looking.
[11:57am] jrseti_: 4) Skytree the learning machine company just got $18M in funding. http://gigaom.com/2013/04/30/usvp-ups-and-scott-mcnealy-pump-18m-into-ma...
[11:57am] jrseti_: $18 is a lot of VC money! Someone has high hopes for them!
[11:57am] sigblips: Has the SETI Institute seen any part of this since they are a partner with Skytree?
[11:58am] jrseti_: What do you mean "seen any part of this"?
[11:58am] sigblips: $$$$$
[11:58am] jrseti_: NO!
[11:58am] jrseti_: But, they have been tutoring us and helping us quite a bit. So, that translates into money in a way
[11:58am] sigblips: That doesn't seem fair since you're a partner and they used you as a testimonial.
[11:58am] jrseti_: Everything is still in the exploratory stage
[11:59am] jrseti_: They are also giving us access to their expensive software
[11:59am] jrseti_: So, not a bad deal
[11:59am] lnigra: Sounds fair.
[12:00pm] jrseti_: Any other topics?
[12:00pm] sigblips: Nope.
[12:01pm] jrseti_: Alright - Thanks - I'll try to show up on time next week!
[12:01pm] lnigra: Next time. Thanks.
[12:01pm] sigblips: Bye.
[12:01pm] jrseti_: Bye!
[12:01pm] lnigra left the chat room. (Quit: Leaving)
[12:01pm] jrseti_ left the chat room. (Remote host closed the connection)

"[11:47am] lnigra: sigblips, that's utter nonsense. If you think they were banned for posing suggestions, you should look back on the discussions. Sorry, but it was because certain people became and personally critical of me and others."

True, people were critical and there was banning in the SETI Live forum. To set history straight here is a link to those old discussions:

http://setiquest.org/forum/topic/automatic-detection-and-classification-...

I am not going to question the wisdom of the Zooniverse but in retrospect Anders was quite civil and the banning incident seemed excessive. The chilling impact of this action was to drive away all intelligent discussion. The SETI Live forum has become an utter wasteland.  Zooniverse fail.

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Hi there Dave I am much pleased you have responded. Now, I am even more pleased as I read of your expertise here. I don’t want to garble things too far here with explanations that mean nothing without the truth of the images to explore and explain. I was just thinking I should go and hang some in Facebook for you or others to finally stumble upon one day. I think it is a good idea so I will look further at that idea after this conversation.
 I understand your early statements. Photoshop makes, not decodes my ‘holograms’. It generates simple virtual imagery or enhances usually satellite imagery. These strange images immediately challenge physics of light and matter for what they variously coherently depict. Learn to torture earth imagery for long enough with Photoshop and an incredible array of new latent information begins to make conscious sense.  
 What I want to initially do with you here Dave, if you are willing, I will put up an unknown number of my enhanced images in Facebook and or elsewhere as you invite. My first images will give a simple illustrated example of what I am calling a ‘hologram’. It is not quite so by definition but I have no other name that makes sense for them.
 Their process violated every principle of physics and every geological theory I could think of. In current physics terms these images are simply impossible. After a few sets showing the principle at its simplest I will start hanging up some of the crazy results that are also utterly impossible when related to any science or history theory out there. Then with luck I will be in a position to start filling in the endless gaps bridging current expectations toward fuller comprehension then.  
 There was a solid 6 years of my time invested in exploring this phenomenon so it is in no way shallow, regardless of our ignorance each of the other’s potentials regarding this profound sequence of discoveries I have blundered so very deeply into now. I would appreciate any reader beginning to follow in our footsteps here to think outside the circle as we progress.
 Minds tend to assess within the limitation of past experience and learning and consider it is not logical to do otherwise. I had to abandon all I considered logic to be. I had to disregard any attempt at scientific procedure as I assumed it must be applied. I had to discard all I believed about world history, physics, astronomy, the knowledge base you all assume is unassailable scientific fact now. 
 From within such frameworks ‘crazy’ is about the only synonym suiting how this can look initially. This has been my most overwhelming barrier toward ever finding people with a will to go the short distance from zero comprehension to “Oh my god, there really is something else here we have all missed!” in introductory emails or other forms of approach. They all simply received zero response… ZERO!
 Yet, I say to you here and now Dave, please, ‘take the tour to where it leads us’. Play out the game as I attempt to present it. Ask questions, don’t deny seeming fantasy or less than credible. Treat this as you would treat a sci-fi movie perhaps. Play with your imagination. Now, I am an alien, with a very alien view of our world. Try to bridge that gap by listening and personally experimenting, not debating and denying. My world view is initially alien now, but, not so the truth it offers. It will impact the lives of all of us. It will tear the very ground out from under many.  
 Extrapolate forward from each new interpretation I present until your own mind pushes you further, until, it too starts to lead you forward toward what it may also want you to understand beyond what you may already recognize. Give your own intuition that power, that potential. Now you need to begin to re-cognize from every new perspective presented...
 Ask me endless questions by all means. But, make them positive progressive extrapolations forward, not walls meant to contain my enthusiasm and vindicate your science, which you already seek holes amid endlessly too.
 I knew with no shadow of doubt what I had to accomplish, what I would accomplish, in the moments as I began. I knew it so clearly I visibly shook with shock for all of my first week. I WAS going to be the one who discovered the true process of moonbirth as it really occurred. I was also going to prove beyond the vaguest doubt of anybody on the planet that all of our continents began in that same cataclysm. Please don’t bother with the how yet, it is ALL recorded and far more pressing material must be covered to develop some grounds for your comprehension to take root amid alien flowers indeed.
 Steadily I asked myself every possible relevant question I could embrace as I processed image after image. My holograms were an accident beginning in my second year. By that time, I had already photographically guaranteed the true origins of all our continents and moon in a prior world that existed for moments only as that thermonuclear event began. I have the holographic images of it that backed up everything I had deduced.
 That is, Process One steadily isolated a way of identifying how the moon and our continents related before and during that cataclysm.
 Process Two, my holographic process, utterly unrelated to my first process, concurred 100% and showed blatantly the virtual process of the birth of our world as we know it directly off matter existing around us. This work is punctuated with impossibilities or new discoveries whichever way you choose to look at it.  
 Every image I explored I also extrapolated a written story of its creation for. Every extrapolation’s aim was to steadily build a coherent theme that worked for every image finally. Nearly every word and sentence of these extrapolated stories directly interlinks with other backing relating evidences as I had previously extrapolated them. Nowhere has scientific theory of any nature been included. It was not possible. None matched – NONE AT ALL!
 This story its content and its logic stands alone. Now I must find others, ‘experts’, to prove it stands in spite of all their logics and themes and theories and guesses too. Only one truth can finally stand. All related science out there is still established theory only. Now I must inject fact where only theory will attack from all sides until all answers are understood or my material falls apart before the mighty warriors of science who will eat it alive as just another joke they have put to rest again then.
 The fastest way to begin this is to simply teach a few of you the simple process of these holograms to guarantee early they are not some fabrication toward later notoriety or another empty monument toward stupidity again. So, that must be my earliest offering here…
 And, again Dave, I am most pleased to meet you. This has been the toughest harshest decade of my life, and especially because of the endless loneliness this discovery has forced upon me. If you or others wish me to continue this project’s potential with Seti, now would be a good time to hear options and alternatives please?
 I know I’ve not mentioned contacts with intelligent life or its potentials, but, that truth too was what finally freaked me to the point I refused to take it further on my own. That was reached several years ago now and I have lived with this awesome secret eating at me every day since.   
 

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I have had the pleasure of working in the field of digital image processing for much of my professional life; and this is the kernel of what I learned.

An image is generally a representation of a reality/object captured on some form of media (I am delibrately ignoring artificial realities such as generated by CGI here). Image Processing on 'real' images can be split into two distinct paths; the first is Image Restoration/Correction, in which processing is undertaken on a flawed image in order to improve the match between the image of the reality/object and the the reality/object itself. A well known example of this is the image deblurring that had to be carried out on the Images returned from the Hubble Space Telescope; before the Astronauts went up and fitted an optical correction device, I will leave it to yourself to think of other examples such as forensic image deblurring etc. The second path is that of image enhancement. In many respects this is the direct opposite of image correction. The processing here actually distorts the mapping between the image and the reality/object of which it represents. Invariably this is done in order to 'improve' the visual appeal of the image, and may consist of changing colours, sharpening edges etc. The harder you enhance an image the less like the original reality/object it becomes. An enhanced image is a distorted image - it isn't showing you a different reality, it is simply a collection of (probably) coloured pixels that have been mathematically modified away from their original values.

As far as I am aware Photoshop doesn't have the ability to decode Holograms (correct me if I am out of date here) I think that you would need something like Matlab, and a lot of very complicated mathematics - which I am afraid I am too long in the tooth to get to grips with.

Interpreting processed signals (and that is all an image is) is fraught with danger, have a look at the 'frog' DNA signal that Sigblips 'found' in the SETIQuest data - It isn't really there it is just a misinterpretation of a badly processed signal. (The contribution can be found here http://setiquest.org/forum/topic/evolution-vs-intelligent-design). I should add that Sigblips doesn't badly process signals, he was simply being very playful.

Regards

Dave Robinson

 

The apparent headroom is likely artificial (part of the problem) given that no values fall in that range.  Here is a clearer unnormalized distribution of the real sample values for interested forum members to ponder:

The tails in the GOES-11 histogram are almost at the -64/+64 values.  This means that only 7 of the 8 bits of quantization are being used.  There is one whole bit of dynamic range headroom.

Clipping and fixed point math overflow would cause more severe looking distortions in the data.  While the mirror aliasing is significant, the damage it is doing to the signals is much more subtle.

Yes hi Sigblips, and, each time I come in here again I am confronted with new rashes of thoughts like a nest of wasps with their hole plugged up. The ideas of potential significance rush around again but with nowhere to go ever.

This visit I find myself wondering toward the real value of the Seti quest and your answer here is actually the first, after 3 not one, approaches in the last week? It is also the first response coming back from 'out there' suggesting there is life that may be worth further effort toward meaningful contact both ways finally also.

What actually came to mind here was a poem I wrote a very long time ago teaching me humility. It was about an ant standing tall on an anthill professing assembled philosophical wonders of its world to a throng of followers all close in around and listening intently as it began a lecture on Isaac Newtant and gravity influencing a twig knocked off the tree above them by a passing bird. Anyway, half way through his profound utterance on the science of the falling stick, if fell and squashed it - end of poem.

Seti seems to me like that nest of those ants all sitting around twiddling knobs and theories trying to ascertain if there really are polar bears somewhere out there, and if so, how to get them to notice and respond to their beamed out intention toward contact, and building eloquent spacious new monads of theories about the concept.

Not that I intend any disrespect at all, but, I have something important to us all and nobody anywhere can step past their narrow doctrinal beams, past their focused intentions and intellectualizations surrounding them. I emailed over 400 professionals in earth and space fields, physicists, Nasa, everybody...

To be fair I actually finally confronted Nasa outreach staff for their ignoring me about 20 times, and just a single positive response came back detailing that the gentleman who received my email was fully aware of exactly what I had found. He fully understood its importance and potential. He then put quite an effort into telling me I had to spend at least several months preparing material quoting the people I learnt from, getting the whole theme together then approaching the Nasa address he gave me. I had already been there twice without response.

So again, yes Sigblips, this is a slightly different tangent from delivering an incoming beam of anticipated nice new data form to you, all gift wrapped and ready to be interpreted and understood with apt effort. What I really have, is a potential project adding new overlooked legs to physics of our universe and world.

New physics that coincidentally scared the living hell out of me for months over the visible facts I did accidentally encounter plastered all over holograms I enhanced directly off satellite imagery involving areas half the size of our world, implying artificial superstructure and forms we variously relate to as 'flying saucer shapes'.

These forms are rare enough across my efforts that I conveniently relate to them as 'aberrations'. True or not, the discovery goes nowhere ever until discovered by more than just me. So Sigblips, are you up for a simple challenge now of replicating some of my imagery processes to my instructions to see if you too come up with similar aberrations to mine, thus moving toward the adding of a new leg to science so theories become fact where relevant finally?

Does the response Seti seeks have to come from radio telescopes, or, can it come from tangential new discoveries, like holograms of what seems to be impact debris suggesting very real contact was indeed previously made with earth and impacted into our very world's makeup?

Can Seti's only acceptable discovery come from a beam of data justifying all the time expense and effort, or is opening an entirely new related door significant enough to open it some way and giving us the opportunity to see beyond its confines too... Or not...?

If you would seek toward the signal of a motor progressing across space perhaps, can you also encompass the debris signature of that motor blowing the very guts out of our world and stamping its progress into the face and form of our continents maybe...?

Sigblips my request for interested academic involvement here is not just another hypothetical to all toy with together. I have blatant clear evidence of a holographic underpinning to matter Seti participants can set about discovering for the world next as a part of this adventure you all seek to share. I have a simple photographic process I stumbled onto and spent 5 years utterly enthralled by, so profound were my discoveries about our world then.

A single person can discover a gold mine but a single person cannot discover the truth of dormant data relating to the moonbirth event trapped latent in light itself across our world in infinite full pristine concurring versions still.

Let's see if I can say this again a bit clearer. If you flip a screen capture image of earth over itself and adjust and enhance your resultant hybrid virtual image the right way, you will no longer be looking at earth but a version of it being disemboweled by a transiting object - EVERY TIME you try it. 1 in a 1000 or so of your images will also depict very artificial forms amid that debris frozen across time.

If you need a push to visualize this concept, please look no further than my signature image there. It is a hologram of the Pacific Ocean enhanced. That virtual image it became impies a vast lump of matter beginning to exit from what is now the 'Pacific Crater' it was expressed from. Endless other holograms concur.

If Seti participants can't embrace the potentials such an awesome discovery can initiate, then again with respect to all of you, the ongoing funding and other problems experienced around your project's lack of progress may indeed be deserved? Here is a discovery like no other before it for science, yet not a single relevant academic has risen to learn the simple process directly, or, even bothered to show the courtesy of a response across what is now 7 years of ever more distracted trying.

And so Sigblips I wish to thank you for being the very first to offer valid comment on this project finally.

It is not clear to me how to convert your dBm (which surely cannot be calibrated) scale to sample values, but if the visible extent of the tails are -128/+127 the attenuation levels were not even close to properly set for this high SNR observation.  My first guess would be that range was exceeded in fixed-point math somewhere in the beamformer FPGA code.

Yes, that image is the histogram of sample values for the I channel.  The Q channel looked the same.

The histogram would have a normal distribution if the signal was mostly noise.  The GOES-11 dataset contains several strong signals that are modulated sine waves.  Here is a histogram image I just made with baudline's Tone Generator of a sine wave + WGN.  The measured SNR is +11 dB.

It looks very similar except for the lack of spurs.

SonATA shouldn't have any problem detecting this signal but it might reject it because of its low +0.01 Hz/sec drift rate.  I wonder what SonATA's lower threshold is? [SonATA developers please comment]

You're right that this signal could carry information by manipulating the pulse timing.  It would be a sort of Pulse Position Modulation (PPM) or Pulse Width Modulation (PWM) or On-Off-Key (OOK) modulation.  A disadvantage, in this situation, is that none of those would be an efficient use of bandwidth.  But that might not be ET's governing motivator here, such a signal could be more a side effect of the generating system.

Going off on a tangent ...  When I first saw this signal it made me think of the Kepler light curves.  Multiple specially placed planets could generate a finite repeating sequence.  More complex sequences could be generated by deviating from circular orbits and allowing N-body like interactions. Long term stability would be problem but I'm sure advanced alien mathematics could work that out.  By playing with orbits ET could create a type of celestial graffiti.  I wonder how many years of data the Kepler Team would need to be able to detect such a construction?

Hello Dawn of Truth,

Your idea sounds interesting but that really isn't what the setiQuest project is about.  Our mission is SETI, the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence.  Our focus is on detecting signals from outer space.  Looking locally for alien artifacts would be a different project. 

Hi Dave I'm WELL acquainted with despair regarding trying to break through that wall of criticism academics seem to punctuate their professional marks across life with like dogs piddling on trees in passing...

I'm new in here, I mean wet paint new. I signed up 10 minutes ago so I don't know were the walls or floors are yet? I'm not an academic so I struggle endlessly around 'science speak' and its exponents and data and theories so worshipped and criticized at the same time. It may drive me away ver fast...

I actually came in here with an agenda but even as I enter I know my chance of achieving anything at all will be minute. There have been about 5 attempts over a many years by me to communicate with intelligent life forms at Seti but to no avail yet?? I can't get a single answer ever, and, this is not just a problem with Seti.

Truth is a very long time ago now I really discovered the greatest scientific unmentionable ever still. Not just a little bit of unmentionable, I unearthed too much unmentionable to ever gain an ear from those who seek it and need it most. I actually cracked the egg on the true birth of our moon and continents. Careful now please Dave. I know from experience this is the point where that door normally slams in my face, and well, I assure you that you could be even more despairing potentially then.

I didn't do this with guesses or studying all the other theories or data crunching, although of course I am familiar with most of them. It was actually photographic enhancement  of Google Earth satellite imagery that gave me most of it, but there is FAR more too.

Anyway Dave I hate wafflers so what I really want to say here is you seem to know your way around the site so you can be useful and just maybe we can turn on a light amid that despair for both of us? It may take me awhile to connect this theme with alien communication or such, but believe me, what I have should set every scientist on earth on a new path - IF we can finally find that missing intelligent life form on our planet and make that historic communication connection with it finally? 

Perhaps you can direct me to an area where it is apt to begin sharing what I have with you or others of relevence?

This goes nowhere until I can easily share carefully enhanced google Earth imagery and potentially lots of it. I have enhanced many thousands of images across this adventure.

The focused effort of this adventure for me spanned 6 very full years, with shocks and discoveries almost a daily event. But, by far the greatest shock is the ongoing fact there is not an academic out there with the will to open up and listen long enough to finally stand above or learn to think outside the hypnosis of the established theory they were all required to absorb.

In moments with Windows and a home pc I can show you how to guarantee there is a holographic constituent to our reality, to our world, with vast new knowledge locked in the very light and matter binding all. To do this you will only need Adobe Photoshop for simple image enhancement and manipulation, and the Google Earth online program download.

Yikes!  Is that a histogram of sample values?  If so, it should have a normal distribution.

Fascinating analysis and set of signals.  My favorite, although simple with respect to others, is pasted below this text.  By the SETI Institute's criteria, this might be considered a candidate signal: it is Doppler-drifted and narrow-band.  The modulation scheme is very interesting.  A detector such as SonATA would efficiently integrate along the time axis except for the infrequent "pulse in frequency" excursions.  If those pulses in frequency had different intervals they could convey information. Hmmnn ...  :-)