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[10:59am] jrseti_: Hello!
[11:00am] lnigra: hello, stranger :-)
[11:00am] lnigra: thanks direrra. Mars is getting more interesting all the time.
[11:00am] direrra: Yep
[11:01am] sigblips: Hello everybody.
[11:01am] lnigra: hi, sigblips
[11:01am] direrra: Afternoon
[11:01am] jrseti_: See http://setiquest.org/forum/topic/community-meeting-2013-03-12
[11:02am] jrseti_: I'm sure Sigblips will have more to talk about
[11:02am] sigblips: 2) I've heard that http://baudline.com has been spotted on the Science Channel's new "Are We Alone" episodes. Does anyone have any info?
[11:02am] sigblips: That's it for me.
[11:03am] jrseti_: Great. 1) Any SETILive update?
[11:03am] lnigra: Nothing too dramatic...
[11:04am] lnigra: We were very unstable late last week. An extra node was added and that seems to have stabilized it.
[11:05am] lnigra: I now have the ability to easily make example/tutorial subjects based on existing waterfall sets..
[11:05am] lnigra: Now, I have to make a tutorial examples page to walk users through real marking examples.
[11:05am] sigblips: SETI Live traffic seems to have increased. Probably due to "Are We Alone" month.
[11:05am] jrseti_: How much has it increased
[11:06am] sigblips: From low single digits to low double digits.
[11:06am] lnigra: Yes, that seems to be about right. We triggered more followups last week than we have in quite a few weeks.
[11:07am] lnigra: I don't have the numbers. I'll see if I can get something from google analytics.
[11:07am] jrseti_: Did you switch to a new server, or just add one?
[11:08am] lnigra: Still a lot of things left to do before I'm done with the programming and can become just a moderator and general gadly.
[11:09am] sigblips: gadfly?
[11:09am] lnigra: The tutorial examples is a pretty important thing. The other is the smart serving of waterfall sets to users based on numbers and classification rates.
[11:11am] lnigra: 1: any of various flies (as a horsefly, botfly, or warble fly) that bite or annoy livestock or
[11:11am] lnigra: 2: a person who stimulates or annoys especially by persistent criticism
[11:11am] jrseti_: So, is it 1) or 2)?
[11:11am] lnigra: Actually, it doesn't really fit. I was being a bit ironic.
[11:12am] jrseti_: ha
[11:12am] lnigra: I think 1) is the most descriptive ;-)
[11:12am] sigblips: You spelled gadly and I wasn't sure what that was.
[11:12am] lnigra: oh, thanks. didn't see that
[11:13am] jrseti_: Wen the SETILive sever started flaking out, it made the SeekerWatcher flake out also. The only way to get around that was to tun off the SETILive options in the SeekerWatcher. Luckily I made a command line switch for that
[11:14am] lnigra: I was wondering about that. We went flaky again on Saturday and frank was down again like friday, but...
[11:15am] lnigra: Everything at the SETI side resumed normal operations once we added the instance and re-started it. Are you sure it won't recover once things go back to normal?
[11:16am] jrseti_: I don't understand why this was flaking out the SeekerWatcher. i wrote the code to gracefully handle such errors, but something else was going on.
[11:16am] lnigra: Maybe it wasn't down long enough on Saturday. I assume you didn't intervene that time.
[11:16am] jrseti_: Right - I was not paying attention on Saturday
[11:17am] jrseti_: Also, I think there was a bit of a problem yesterday, I saw that Frank was returning an error number, but then it started working again.
[11:17am] jrseti_: I'll pay more attention tonight.
[11:18am] lnigra: I guess you can use the switch when necessary, but it would be nice if there was an easy way for you to know when it's safe to turn it back on.
[11:18am] jrseti_: FYI: We'll be doing an "RFI scan" tonight for the first 2 hours - not appropriate for SETILive
[11:19am] jrseti_: So, I'll modify the SeekerWatcher to not display an active status when in scan mode
[11:20am] direrra: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/03/12/mars-could-have-supported-life...
[11:20am] lnigra: ok
[11:21am] lnigra: sounds like it will recover except maybe if frank is down for an extended period(?)
[11:21am] jrseti_: Yes
[11:22am] jrseti_: FYI: I added a news feed to http://setiquest.info
[11:22am] lnigra: I'd like to have "health" status indicators so someone could get an email when something clearly is wrong.
[11:22am] lnigra: yes, jrseti, I noticed the feed the other night. Nice!
[11:22am] direrra: Agreed
[11:23am] jrseti_: lnigra - If only we knew what to try to detect? Maybe when the Frank" sever returns an error?
[11:23am] sigblips: About the setiquest.info news feed. Why don't you just follow the SETI Institute and setiQuest twitter feeds? At least those are promoting the SETI Institute web properties.
[11:24am] jrseti_: what is the feed URL for the setiquest twitter feed?
[11:24am] sigblips: That "powered by Google" tag is rather obnoxious IMO.
[11:24am] jrseti_: No choice on that
[11:24am] jrseti_: and - Google is powerful!
[11:25am] sigblips: Google should be paying you for doing that. They aren't? Are they?
[11:25am] direrra: Have two questions after official discussions are finished...
[11:26am] jrseti_: Sigblips - get the me the feed URL and I'll change it.
[11:26am] sigblips: https://api.twitter.com/1/statuses/user_timeline.rss?screen_name=SETIIns...
[11:27am] sigblips: https://api.twitter.com/1/statuses/user_timeline.rss?screen_name=setiquest
[11:27am] jrseti_: OK, I'll add them
[11:28am] lnigra: Let's be clear - the google model is you show the logo to not have to pay them. Not a big deal at all. Any donor can ask the same thing.
[11:28am] sigblips: Yes but Google isn't really doing anything in this case.
[11:30am] sigblips: I don't mind promoting Google when they are doing something. For example I have Google search boxes on some of my websites.
[11:31am] jrseti_: Next topic?
[11:31am] jrseti_: 2) I've heard that http://baudline.com has been spotted on the Science Channel's new "Are We Alone" episodes. Does anyone have any info?
[11:31am] jrseti_: No! I don't have access to that channel.
[11:32am] jrseti_: Where did you hear that?
[11:32am] sigblips: From a longtime baudline user. We was quite certain that Seth was there and so was baudline.
[11:34am] sigblips: I don't get the Science Channel and I'd love to see the episodes This baudline usage is all news to me and I think it is great but I have no idea how it happened. I'm curious about the details.
[11:35am] jrseti_: It is a mystery. We don't run Baudline here unless you are here.
[11:35am] sigblips: Yes, I know, that is why I'm surprised.
[11:37am] direrra: Next issue?
[11:37am] jrseti_: Yes, next issue.
[11:37am] jrseti_: direrra?
[11:38am] direrra: (1) Will there be a public recognition of SETILive participants on the anniversary date?
[11:38am] direrra: Even if just on SetiLive Talk?
[11:39am] direrra: IMO, participants could use an 'Atta Boy'
[11:39am] direrra: No need for more than a paragraph of text
[11:40am] sigblips: The SETI Live launch date anniversary was the start of the month.
[11:40am] jrseti_: Good suggestion - lnigra?
[11:40am] direrra: <---Points gun at head, fires...
[11:40am] lnigra: My blog post summarized some accomplishments, but it wasn't specifically for the users. Surely can do something more.
[11:41am] sigblips: By public recognition do you mean some sort of report about how all the user classifications have been helpful?
[11:41am] direrra: Whatever SETILive staff thinks...
[11:41am] sigblips: Stats, insights, followups, ... ?
[11:42am] direrra: What is your bottom line on the usefulness of the project so far?
[11:42am] direrra: Yes to all three
[11:43am] lnigra: Frankly, we haven't had a chance to process the data we have in archive for various reasons, but it's in the plans.
[11:44am] direrra: A general overview would be fine
[11:44am] direrra: What has been the impact of the project to SETI's mission?
[11:45am] lnigra: Check out my blog post for a minor retrospective in the first paragraph. I'll make something a bit more directed toward user efforts and effects.
[11:45am] jrseti_: great
[11:46am] direrra: Great - would it be too much for a short message from Jill Tarter thanking participants?
[11:46am] direrra: Something that would get everyone's attention?
[11:46am] jrseti_: Ah! Good idea.
[11:47am] direrra: The blog post was well done and well received (by me)
[11:49am] direrra: (2) Is there an overall collection plan for SETILive, so if data from a particular area/time is not classified/viewed, there is a relook at the area later?
[11:50am] direrra: i.e., follow-up so no gaps in coverage?
[11:51am] direrra: Just wondered, since I saw that <25% of the plots were actually being viewed
[11:51am] direrra: Can discuss later, realize you guys are busy...
[11:51am] lnigra: That's something that might be added once I have the mechanism to characterize archived markings and keep a database of the results.
[11:52am] direrra: OK
[11:52am] lnigra: Where'd you get the "<25%"?
[11:52am] direrra: I saw something in the last weekly meeting transcript
[11:52am] lnigra: Yes, I just realized that's what you were referring to.
[11:53am] lnigra: Yes, I really think that's a limitation on doing any analysis of RFI, but all is not lost...
[11:53am] direrra: Glass is 25% full
[11:53am] lnigra: All the data setilive was sent is still available at SETI
[11:53am] lnigra: We could theoretically pull that data in as needed.
[11:53am] direrra: OK - excellent
[11:54am] lnigra: The other issue is that we don't get a continuous band of frequencies, so there could still be holes, but on the other hand,...
[11:54am] sigblips: You have to remember that what SETI Live sees is just a tiny fraction of what SonATA sees and even that is a fraction of what the dishes are collecting.
[11:54am] lnigra: We get bands that are busy, and that means we should have good coverage of RFI areas.
[11:54am] direrra: Understand
[11:55am] direrra: ...says the non=professional
[11:55am] lnigra: Great questions, direrra. I'd call you a gadfly, but you're not annoying :-)
[11:56am] direrra: Is it catch as catch can, or is there a master plan to examine things systematically?
[11:56am] direrra: <---Feels horse's tail slap him in the butt :)
[11:56am] lnigra: I have some ideas on examining things systematically and I want to come up with a way to let users help with that directly.
[11:57am] direrra: OK
[11:57am] lnigra: Sort of a citizen science project within a citizen science project.
[11:57am] direrra: I'm game
[11:57am] direrra: And my boss is talking behing my shoulder to a co-worker, so I'm out...thanks
[11:58am] direrra left the chat room.
[11:58am] jrseti_: Anything else? Shall we end the meeting?
[11:58am] lnigra: ok by me.
[11:59am] sigblips: Bye.
[11:59am] jrseti_: Thanks!
[11:59am] jrseti_: Bye!
[11:59am] jrseti_ left the chat room. (Remote host closed the connection)
[12:00pm] lnigra left the chat room. (Remote host closed the connection)

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